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Alora Venoda
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Fustor
as evry wreck drop 4x armor plates or something like that ... you can create more then 20 mil per hour so in 2 days you can upgrade trail account..
haha... but no. half the wrecks in a mission have no salvage at all and many of them have worthless salvage like charred micro. and different kinds of rats drop different hi-end salvage.
but yes, as more people do this you may want to try running missions in less popular systems  |
Alora Venoda
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Fustor
yes that is plan.. they all do that.. in 2 days they become a thief as all skills can be trained on trail account... btw I dont have alt ... Im doing exploration in 0.0 but noticed as I tried to make standing for jumpclone
you can use a lvl 4 agent with -20 quality and get same standings increase as a lvl 4 agent with +20 quality... the payout will just be a bit lower.
also, courier missions while even more of a grind, can be a faster and easier way to simply raise standings. |
Alora Venoda
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rramar Claime
Edited by: Rramar Claime on 02/05/2008 16:30:48
Right. Those floating rubbish wrecks mean a lot of ISK to some people. I understand CCP's point in this but when someone probes you out and takes away the large wrecks from you... thats a huge loss. In a level 4 enemies abound without any bounties, you do the mission for the salvage which can reach 30 mills. I'd say a possible solution would be if only people in a wardeccable corp would be able to salvage others wrecks or salvage at all. A guy in a noob corp racing you for the large wrecks and then laughing when he was faster is no way what CCP intended...
Another idea is if they wouldn't let others into deadspace complexes at all. Although that would take away too much fun i know, but then again just let people retaliate somehow if they want to salvage what they earned.
Edit: It's totally ok if someone salvages the wrecks after I left the deadspace complex and finished the mission, I think everyone can agree that there's no problem with that at all. That is not the problem.
well i think the main argument for salvage being public and only the loot being private is that not everyone takes the time to salvage every mission. heck many times they don't loot either. take your salvage ship and run around between belts in a popular ratting or mining system and you will see many wrecks that nobody bothers to collect.
this idea of course conflicts with professional mission runners who fully loot and salvage every wreck. this delima was first noted back when salvage was first introduced, and you could only salvage empty wrecks. at that time players saw many abandoned wrecks full of loot and cried because they couldn't salvage them without getting flagged. but now, due to "salvage thieves" the argument is from the other side.
what solution will fit both scenarios? can anyone think of one? here's a few i came up with...
1. a time delay from when wreck was created during which the "owner" will have exclusive rights to the salvage. it would need to be shorter than the time before the wreck expires, but long enough to allow scavengers to salvage it. this would get complicated for those mission runners who end up salvaging most of their wrecks within last 10 minutes before the wrecks expire.
2. same as now, except when a wreck would normally expire, the ownership is released and any loot inside is lost. but the wreck itself remains and can be tractored and salvaged by anyone. this would be ideal, except for possible lag issues...
3. once you leave the system the wrecks are no longer "owned". similar to #1, many potential problems as well. does not really account for ratters or miners who stay in same system and never loot/salvage the wrecks.
4. some kind of "flag" you set that releases/claims ownership of your wrecks. this is very interesting, but players would have to choose to do it. and since it would basically just be a courtesy for others, not many people would bother unless asked.
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